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		<title>By: D. C. DaCosta</title>
		<link>http://www.dystel.com/blog/2016/04/when-to-put-down-a-book/comment-page-1/#comment-45631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. DaCosta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m interested in your comment about racism, stereotypes, etc.. 

Do you mean, the character is a blatant bigot, and this is unappealing enough to make you quit reading?  

Or do you mean that the author has provided only cardboard, &quot;stock&quot; characters without bothering to give them any depth or individuality?  (Bring on token middle-aged redneck divorcee...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in your comment about racism, stereotypes, etc.. </p>
<p>Do you mean, the character is a blatant bigot, and this is unappealing enough to make you quit reading?  </p>
<p>Or do you mean that the author has provided only cardboard, &#8220;stock&#8221; characters without bothering to give them any depth or individuality?  (Bring on token middle-aged redneck divorcee&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: D. C. DaCosta</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. DaCosta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great topic!

I&#039;ve reached the age where I&#039;m unwilling to waste time on anything that:

- contains gross errors of grammar (first person narrative excepted, of course!)

- is ambiguous as to plot, clearly due to sloppiness or lack of talent rather than serving as a &quot;red herring&quot; 

- introduces the characters in the first two pages, then gives us three pages of flashback. (I drop the book when I start reading &quot;Ten years ago&quot; -- not &quot;earlier&quot;, but &quot;ago&quot;! -- they had met when...&quot; etc.)

- contains gross factual errors, like the example mentioned above, about the M-16&#039;s recoil, or having the hero in New York phoning his friend in Phoenix because if it&#039;s 9 am in New York, his friend will be having lunch. You don&#039;t have to write what you know, but you DO need to know what you write!

- does not compensate for slowness of plot with richness of characterization

- includes long stretches of dialogue of the most commonplace variety (i.e., it neither moves the plot along nor tells us anything whatever about the characters)

- does not, at least once a chapter, answer the question, &quot;So what?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great topic!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve reached the age where I&#8217;m unwilling to waste time on anything that:</p>
<p>&#8211; contains gross errors of grammar (first person narrative excepted, of course!)</p>
<p>&#8211; is ambiguous as to plot, clearly due to sloppiness or lack of talent rather than serving as a &#8220;red herring&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8211; introduces the characters in the first two pages, then gives us three pages of flashback. (I drop the book when I start reading &#8220;Ten years ago&#8221; &#8212; not &#8220;earlier&#8221;, but &#8220;ago&#8221;! &#8212; they had met when&#8230;&#8221; etc.)</p>
<p>&#8211; contains gross factual errors, like the example mentioned above, about the M-16&#8217;s recoil, or having the hero in New York phoning his friend in Phoenix because if it&#8217;s 9 am in New York, his friend will be having lunch. You don&#8217;t have to write what you know, but you DO need to know what you write!</p>
<p>&#8211; does not compensate for slowness of plot with richness of characterization</p>
<p>&#8211; includes long stretches of dialogue of the most commonplace variety (i.e., it neither moves the plot along nor tells us anything whatever about the characters)</p>
<p>&#8211; does not, at least once a chapter, answer the question, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin A. Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.dystel.com/blog/2016/04/when-to-put-down-a-book/comment-page-1/#comment-45622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin A. Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, (and hi) I just have to ask-what on Earth is &quot;ableism?&quot; One of the reasons I hang out in this blogspot coffee bar is that it&#039;s such a great clearing house for gatekeeper trendspeak, but I have to admit this is a new one. By the way, one has to allow for some degree of attitudinal imprecision on the part of characters or there aren&#039;t any plot ingredients at all. Although the point is well taken that if the author seems to be just having a wild night scaring the Uber drivers then one might be excused for quietly  sliding over the sill...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, (and hi) I just have to ask-what on Earth is &#8220;ableism?&#8221; One of the reasons I hang out in this blogspot coffee bar is that it&#8217;s such a great clearing house for gatekeeper trendspeak, but I have to admit this is a new one. By the way, one has to allow for some degree of attitudinal imprecision on the part of characters or there aren&#8217;t any plot ingredients at all. Although the point is well taken that if the author seems to be just having a wild night scaring the Uber drivers then one might be excused for quietly  sliding over the sill&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.Marie Rundquist (@ProfeJMarie)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.Marie Rundquist (@ProfeJMarie)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is only in recent years that I\&#039;ve gotten myself to NOT finish a book. It\&#039;s still rare, but what gets me to stop is if A) there\&#039;s no apparent story... I like to have *some* idea of where the plot is headed, if there is a plot or  B) if the characterization makes me angry - ie: stereotypes, racism, sexism, ableism, etc.2 \&quot;big name\&quot; books that I stopped: Wally Lamb\&#039;s WE ARE WATER. So. Much. Backstory. I couldn\&#039;t discern what the actual story was going to be. I tried because I LIKE Wally Lamb. I\&#039;ve heard that listening to it might help.Gabaldon\&#039;s OUTLANDER. 1/3 through and I got to Jamie whipping Claire. Made me so angry I slammed the book shut. I was really liking Jamie, too. And I can see the appeal of the books, but that\&#039;s okay - enough people love her series to keep it going so I\&#039;m not gonna worry. :)Those are my examples that I felt comfortable sharing because of their success, and while I\&#039;m not great at taking my own advice  - or yours - I always recommend to others that yes, there ARE too many great books (and of course \&quot;great\&quot; is subjective, which is totally cool) out there to lose time on a non-great one.As a writer? Yes, as I am unpublished, I am hyper aware of how engaging not only my opening pages must be, but the immediate ones after them, too. Difficult! Beginnings are not my strength.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is only in recent years that I\&#8217;ve gotten myself to NOT finish a book. It\&#8217;s still rare, but what gets me to stop is if A) there\&#8217;s no apparent story&#8230; I like to have *some* idea of where the plot is headed, if there is a plot or  B) if the characterization makes me angry &#8211; ie: stereotypes, racism, sexism, ableism, etc.2 \&#8221;big name\&#8221; books that I stopped: Wally Lamb\&#8217;s WE ARE WATER. So. Much. Backstory. I couldn\&#8217;t discern what the actual story was going to be. I tried because I LIKE Wally Lamb. I\&#8217;ve heard that listening to it might help.Gabaldon\&#8217;s OUTLANDER. 1/3 through and I got to Jamie whipping Claire. Made me so angry I slammed the book shut. I was really liking Jamie, too. And I can see the appeal of the books, but that\&#8217;s okay &#8211; enough people love her series to keep it going so I\&#8217;m not gonna worry. :)Those are my examples that I felt comfortable sharing because of their success, and while I\&#8217;m not great at taking my own advice  &#8211; or yours &#8211; I always recommend to others that yes, there ARE too many great books (and of course \&#8221;great\&#8221; is subjective, which is totally cool) out there to lose time on a non-great one.As a writer? Yes, as I am unpublished, I am hyper aware of how engaging not only my opening pages must be, but the immediate ones after them, too. Difficult! Beginnings are not my strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin A. Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin A. Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends on your definition of an &quot;unlikeable character&quot;; if he or she is so painfully clueless or stupid that it&#039;s a chore to read about them, I&#039;ll probably bail-Scarlett O&#039;Hara was by most definitions a handful-19th Century mean girl, etc., but she wasn&#039;t hard to hang with. I&#039;ve also bailed on a few books that weren&#039;t bad by any ordinary standard of measurement for other reasons; The 5th Wave kept me going for about 8 chapters before I folded-not a bad idea or presentation, and if I&#039;d been 15 or 16 it would&#039;ve been a serious news flash, but having done The Stand and Childhood&#039;s End it wasn&#039;t worth the retread, and besides, where did Cassie get a Luger, for Christ sake? What is this, 1943? And an M-16 is virtually recoilless, (which is why they&#039;re popular with underweight psycho yahoos with no Likes) as opposed to the massive kick described in the narrative. Detail mistakes like this don&#039;t help when you&#039;re essentially doing post-apocalyptic fan fiction. And I&#039;m getting a little burned out on the whole humorless thing, although I&#039;m sure that&#039;s another hallmark of great fiction...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on your definition of an &#8220;unlikeable character&#8221;; if he or she is so painfully clueless or stupid that it&#8217;s a chore to read about them, I&#8217;ll probably bail-Scarlett O&#8217;Hara was by most definitions a handful-19th Century mean girl, etc., but she wasn&#8217;t hard to hang with. I&#8217;ve also bailed on a few books that weren&#8217;t bad by any ordinary standard of measurement for other reasons; The 5th Wave kept me going for about 8 chapters before I folded-not a bad idea or presentation, and if I&#8217;d been 15 or 16 it would&#8217;ve been a serious news flash, but having done The Stand and Childhood&#8217;s End it wasn&#8217;t worth the retread, and besides, where did Cassie get a Luger, for Christ sake? What is this, 1943? And an M-16 is virtually recoilless, (which is why they&#8217;re popular with underweight psycho yahoos with no Likes) as opposed to the massive kick described in the narrative. Detail mistakes like this don&#8217;t help when you&#8217;re essentially doing post-apocalyptic fan fiction. And I&#8217;m getting a little burned out on the whole humorless thing, although I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s another hallmark of great fiction&#8230;</p>
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