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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A belated but heartfelt thank you to all who weighed in on this topic, with a special nod to my clients who shared their thoughts. Glad to see this was something worth further discussion, and look forward to continuing the conversation with all of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A belated but heartfelt thank you to all who weighed in on this topic, with a special nod to my clients who shared their thoughts. Glad to see this was something worth further discussion, and look forward to continuing the conversation with all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter J. Fusco</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter J. Fusco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me it&#039;s when the characters stop talking, not just to me, but to each other too.  I know it&#039;s time to say, &quot;goodbye&quot; to everyone when they&#039;ve gone silent in my head, when there&#039;s no one waking me up in the middle of the night to have his or her say.  It&#039;s actually quite sad, especially after you&#039;ve developed a rather deep and abiding relationship with one or two, or all of them.  You know what I mean, I&#039;m sure.  When the woman you constructed, and fell in love with, is no longer there, no longer waiting for you in the morning, no longer being funny and tender and loving, when you can&#039;t watch as she&#039;s brushing her hair, or applying the lipstick she asked if you liked, that&#039;s when it&#039;s time to give up.  The saddest part about it is a piece of you dies every time it happens, and it becomes oh, so very hard to begin again.  But that&#039;s why we write, isn&#039;t it?  We love the heartache.  We love the anxiety.  We love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it&#8217;s when the characters stop talking, not just to me, but to each other too.  I know it&#8217;s time to say, &#8220;goodbye&#8221; to everyone when they&#8217;ve gone silent in my head, when there&#8217;s no one waking me up in the middle of the night to have his or her say.  It&#8217;s actually quite sad, especially after you&#8217;ve developed a rather deep and abiding relationship with one or two, or all of them.  You know what I mean, I&#8217;m sure.  When the woman you constructed, and fell in love with, is no longer there, no longer waiting for you in the morning, no longer being funny and tender and loving, when you can&#8217;t watch as she&#8217;s brushing her hair, or applying the lipstick she asked if you liked, that&#8217;s when it&#8217;s time to give up.  The saddest part about it is a piece of you dies every time it happens, and it becomes oh, so very hard to begin again.  But that&#8217;s why we write, isn&#8217;t it?  We love the heartache.  We love the anxiety.  We love.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bethany Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too am quite tenacious in the never-giving-up game. Comfort in moving on generally comes when I&#039;ve become emerged in my next project. I don&#039;t think I&#039;d ever truly give up on a past novel I&#039;d written, but I can get to a point where I&#039;m OK(ish) w/letting my next novel in line be the one to take the glory aka get published. &#039;Cause it will be happen--between the 2 of us, it will!

B*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am quite tenacious in the never-giving-up game. Comfort in moving on generally comes when I&#8217;ve become emerged in my next project. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d ever truly give up on a past novel I&#8217;d written, but I can get to a point where I&#8217;m OK(ish) w/letting my next novel in line be the one to take the glory aka get published. &#8216;Cause it will be happen&#8211;between the 2 of us, it will!</p>
<p>B*</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great question. And as Stacey points out, it&#039;s relevant for both writers and agents--and thus, for the relationship between writers and agents.

All of us hope to find an agent who has a commitment--a commitment &quot;sometimes verging on insanity&quot;--to support our work and to sell our projects.  That said, I understand (as all writers must) that agents have limited time and must keep selling projects in order to stay in business.  Writers have more leeway (since none of us should reasonably expect to make a living through writing alone); we can be passionate about the work we&#039;ve done, or plan to, until we drop dead--and I mean that literally.

But it also helps to have some discipline about what to pursue, and how to allocate one&#039;s time and energies.

I often put aside shorter pieces--essays or short stories--because with those projects I can grasp pretty quickly whether the idea, or my approach to it, is working.  Sometimes I can go back to it, sometimes it&#039;s best just to forget about it.

Books are different. The first book was hard to sell (and even harder to write), but my co-author and I were persistent because we knew the material was good and we trusted our ability to figure out how to tell the story.  We approached agents, and despite many encouraging words from several of them, we had to take the project to publishers without representation.

I&#039;m working on two books now.  One is under contract to a university press--again, it was sold without an agent.  The other book--still unsold--is about the 1932 baseball season.  I have worked almost five years on the project, and I believe it will eventually find the right publisher.  I am lucky to have an agent who believes in the project.  But I also know it&#039;s my job to accept her guidance in terms of shaping the book and proposal so that she can match my idea with a publisher who will see the potential worth of the book.  

If a book doesn&#039;t sell, would I rethink it?  Yes, definitely. But after spending five years researching, thinking, and writing, would I give up?  I&#039;d have to say no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great question. And as Stacey points out, it&#8217;s relevant for both writers and agents&#8211;and thus, for the relationship between writers and agents.</p>
<p>All of us hope to find an agent who has a commitment&#8211;a commitment &#8220;sometimes verging on insanity&#8221;&#8211;to support our work and to sell our projects.  That said, I understand (as all writers must) that agents have limited time and must keep selling projects in order to stay in business.  Writers have more leeway (since none of us should reasonably expect to make a living through writing alone); we can be passionate about the work we&#8217;ve done, or plan to, until we drop dead&#8211;and I mean that literally.</p>
<p>But it also helps to have some discipline about what to pursue, and how to allocate one&#8217;s time and energies.</p>
<p>I often put aside shorter pieces&#8211;essays or short stories&#8211;because with those projects I can grasp pretty quickly whether the idea, or my approach to it, is working.  Sometimes I can go back to it, sometimes it&#8217;s best just to forget about it.</p>
<p>Books are different. The first book was hard to sell (and even harder to write), but my co-author and I were persistent because we knew the material was good and we trusted our ability to figure out how to tell the story.  We approached agents, and despite many encouraging words from several of them, we had to take the project to publishers without representation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on two books now.  One is under contract to a university press&#8211;again, it was sold without an agent.  The other book&#8211;still unsold&#8211;is about the 1932 baseball season.  I have worked almost five years on the project, and I believe it will eventually find the right publisher.  I am lucky to have an agent who believes in the project.  But I also know it&#8217;s my job to accept her guidance in terms of shaping the book and proposal so that she can match my idea with a publisher who will see the potential worth of the book.  </p>
<p>If a book doesn&#8217;t sell, would I rethink it?  Yes, definitely. But after spending five years researching, thinking, and writing, would I give up?  I&#8217;d have to say no.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good question. I guess I wouldn´t give up as long as I still believed in my own work. If I´d get specific feedback on the story´s shortcomings that makes sense to me and I´d know these shortcomings couldn´t be fixed, I think I´d give up and concentrate on something else. I try not to identify myself with my work and always look for ways to improve my writing. Hopefully this attitude will get me published one day. If not, then at least I´ve tried and had a good time entertaining myself with my own stories...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question. I guess I wouldn´t give up as long as I still believed in my own work. If I´d get specific feedback on the story´s shortcomings that makes sense to me and I´d know these shortcomings couldn´t be fixed, I think I´d give up and concentrate on something else. I try not to identify myself with my work and always look for ways to improve my writing. Hopefully this attitude will get me published one day. If not, then at least I´ve tried and had a good time entertaining myself with my own stories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Henson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Henson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I continue until I&#039;ve exhausted all possibilities.  &#039;Til I&#039;ve queried every agent in my genre, pursued every glimmer of hope, and revised until I can&#039;t type another word.  I have shelved a manuscript after a handful of queries because I realized that not only does the manuscript need a lot more work, it doesn&#039;t fit in the current market.  One day I&#039;ll revisit it and start revising again.  The manuscript I&#039;m querying now I one that I totally believe in, so I&#039;ll keep going until I&#039;ve done everything I possibly can.  Only then will I put it aside and let it rest.

My energies are not wholly consumed by that one project, however.  While I&#039;m querying it, I&#039;m writing another.  It&#039;s a sequel to the first, but I&#039;m writing it to stand alone in case the first doesn&#039;t go anywhere.  I can&#039;t bring myself to give up on this story though, and until I&#039;ve gotten a rejection from every single person who might be interested there&#039;s always the chance there&#039;s someone out there who will believe in it enough not to give up either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue until I&#8217;ve exhausted all possibilities.  &#8216;Til I&#8217;ve queried every agent in my genre, pursued every glimmer of hope, and revised until I can&#8217;t type another word.  I have shelved a manuscript after a handful of queries because I realized that not only does the manuscript need a lot more work, it doesn&#8217;t fit in the current market.  One day I&#8217;ll revisit it and start revising again.  The manuscript I&#8217;m querying now I one that I totally believe in, so I&#8217;ll keep going until I&#8217;ve done everything I possibly can.  Only then will I put it aside and let it rest.</p>
<p>My energies are not wholly consumed by that one project, however.  While I&#8217;m querying it, I&#8217;m writing another.  It&#8217;s a sequel to the first, but I&#8217;m writing it to stand alone in case the first doesn&#8217;t go anywhere.  I can&#8217;t bring myself to give up on this story though, and until I&#8217;ve gotten a rejection from every single person who might be interested there&#8217;s always the chance there&#8217;s someone out there who will believe in it enough not to give up either.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Stacey. As a very fortunate beneficiary of your commitment/insanity, I would have to say that, for me, the time to give up (or at least shelve a project) is when feedback from different editors (or the agent) is starting to sound eerily similar. 

This is something I frequently focus on with writing students who are having their work peer reviewed: Yes, as the writer you have the option of ignoring feedback with which you don&#039;t agree. However, if more than one person mentions the same issue(s), odds are there&#039;s still more work to be done.

That doesn&#039;t make hitting the pause button on a beloved project any easier though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Stacey. As a very fortunate beneficiary of your commitment/insanity, I would have to say that, for me, the time to give up (or at least shelve a project) is when feedback from different editors (or the agent) is starting to sound eerily similar. </p>
<p>This is something I frequently focus on with writing students who are having their work peer reviewed: Yes, as the writer you have the option of ignoring feedback with which you don&#8217;t agree. However, if more than one person mentions the same issue(s), odds are there&#8217;s still more work to be done.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make hitting the pause button on a beloved project any easier though.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillsy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hillsy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll quote Heinlein&#039;s 5th rule: You must keep it on the market until it&#039;s sold

Rob Sawyers&#039; notes on Heinlein&#039;s 5 rules: Very sage stuff
http://www.sfwriter.com/ow05.htm

Basically it&#039;s what C said....try everywhere. Though like Sawyer (see link) I&#039;d have an amendment. By the time you&#039;ve exauhsted all revenue streams you should probably have written something else, so shelve the one that isn&#039;t selling and send out the new one.

Rinse. Repeat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll quote Heinlein&#8217;s 5th rule: You must keep it on the market until it&#8217;s sold</p>
<p>Rob Sawyers&#8217; notes on Heinlein&#8217;s 5 rules: Very sage stuff<br />
<a href="http://www.sfwriter.com/ow05.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfwriter.com/ow05.htm</a></p>
<p>Basically it&#8217;s what C said&#8230;.try everywhere. Though like Sawyer (see link) I&#8217;d have an amendment. By the time you&#8217;ve exauhsted all revenue streams you should probably have written something else, so shelve the one that isn&#8217;t selling and send out the new one.</p>
<p>Rinse. Repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: V. Lynn Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V. Lynn Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Stacey, 

This topic caught my attention right away. A good write. 

I like that you trust your gut and work hard to sell the story. 

Fear is paralyzing. Many companies are taking less risks and I think this may be the root cause rather than an inability to sell a book. There are reasons why you need to be vetting the new publishers. Reputation means everything and what are theirs? 

My queries are exclusive. As a client, I&#039;d want your take on why the book is hard to sell. What are the rejection reasons? Sometimes we need our colleagues take on the situation--What would you do? I am unfamiliar with your kind of work flow &amp; if you&#039;re able to share with a colleague. Get their feedback too. Trust your gut. You&#039;ve been in this market and an expert now too. Good luck with your decision. I wish the best for you and your client.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stacey, </p>
<p>This topic caught my attention right away. A good write. </p>
<p>I like that you trust your gut and work hard to sell the story. </p>
<p>Fear is paralyzing. Many companies are taking less risks and I think this may be the root cause rather than an inability to sell a book. There are reasons why you need to be vetting the new publishers. Reputation means everything and what are theirs? </p>
<p>My queries are exclusive. As a client, I&#8217;d want your take on why the book is hard to sell. What are the rejection reasons? Sometimes we need our colleagues take on the situation&#8211;What would you do? I am unfamiliar with your kind of work flow &amp; if you&#8217;re able to share with a colleague. Get their feedback too. Trust your gut. You&#8217;ve been in this market and an expert now too. Good luck with your decision. I wish the best for you and your client.</p>
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		<title>By: V. Lynn Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V. Lynn Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[~great answer~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~great answer~</p>
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