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		<title>By: kellye</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This continues to be a fascinating discussion. And you&#039;re right, Yellow Inkling, it does touch on some of the same issues of the changes in the Lambda Award, which was also interesting. It&#039;s also really difficult to dig into these issues with all their complexities in a short post...but I think there&#039;s value in trying. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;L.C., I like and appreciate your post. I&#039;m not sure if you were referring to me and my post or just talking in general when you said that talking to one or two friends from whatever culture you&#039;re writing about won&#039;t cut it in terms of research. I agree and hope I didn&#039;t give anyone that impression. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m really grappling with what you say about the use of blackface and all that implies. The show is trying to make the point that minstrel shows and their inherent racism is bad, but I can see how you would still not want to see it. It makes me wonder about a project that was degrading toward women...would I want to see it degrade women even though the ultimate point was to say that degrading women is bad? I don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t know if this makes sense, but I want you to know I appreciate you and everyone here taking the time to post, to share their thoughts and feelings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Michelle, I also think you make some good points. But when you say &quot;it&#039;s disrespectful not to have a black writer on board because there has to be a basis for the truth,&quot; that&#039;s assuming that ANY black writer could fit the bill, would be better than a white writer when writing the truth of this historical time, and I just don&#039;t believe that&#039;s true. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do I believe that African-American writers should have been involved in the play and could bring a different--and critically important perspective? Yes, especially if you get the right African-American writers. And the right white writers, of course. What I&#039;m trying to say is that we are not interchangeable cogs. We are distinct individuals with distinct knowledge and characteristics, we are the sum of our parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This continues to be a fascinating discussion. And you&#39;re right, Yellow Inkling, it does touch on some of the same issues of the changes in the Lambda Award, which was also interesting. It&#39;s also really difficult to dig into these issues with all their complexities in a short post&#8230;but I think there&#39;s value in trying. </p>
<p>L.C., I like and appreciate your post. I&#39;m not sure if you were referring to me and my post or just talking in general when you said that talking to one or two friends from whatever culture you&#39;re writing about won&#39;t cut it in terms of research. I agree and hope I didn&#39;t give anyone that impression. </p>
<p>I&#39;m really grappling with what you say about the use of blackface and all that implies. The show is trying to make the point that minstrel shows and their inherent racism is bad, but I can see how you would still not want to see it. It makes me wonder about a project that was degrading toward women&#8230;would I want to see it degrade women even though the ultimate point was to say that degrading women is bad? I don&#39;t know. I don&#39;t know if this makes sense, but I want you to know I appreciate you and everyone here taking the time to post, to share their thoughts and feelings.</p>
<p>Michelle, I also think you make some good points. But when you say &quot;it&#39;s disrespectful not to have a black writer on board because there has to be a basis for the truth,&quot; that&#39;s assuming that ANY black writer could fit the bill, would be better than a white writer when writing the truth of this historical time, and I just don&#39;t believe that&#39;s true. </p>
<p>Do I believe that African-American writers should have been involved in the play and could bring a different&#8211;and critically important perspective? Yes, especially if you get the right African-American writers. And the right white writers, of course. What I&#39;m trying to say is that we are not interchangeable cogs. We are distinct individuals with distinct knowledge and characteristics, we are the sum of our parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Kollar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe it is egotistical for those writers to assume they can write a whole script based on their own limited perspectives. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We need to be respectful of each other. How can we bridge the gap if white Americans continue to profit on the muse of the African American? In the past we stole their music and inventions without giving credit or royalties, and now we steal the stories too.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is disrespectful not have a black writer on board because there has to be a basis for the truth. Otherwise by playing blind angles the benefit is to those white writers alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is egotistical for those writers to assume they can write a whole script based on their own limited perspectives. </p>
<p>We need to be respectful of each other. How can we bridge the gap if white Americans continue to profit on the muse of the African American? In the past we stole their music and inventions without giving credit or royalties, and now we steal the stories too.  </p>
<p>It is disrespectful not have a black writer on board because there has to be a basis for the truth. Otherwise by playing blind angles the benefit is to those white writers alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Yellow Inkling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This discussion reminds me a lot of the one started by Ellen Wittlinger&#039;s article in the Horn Book about the Lambda Award submission rule changes.&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2010/jul10_wittlinger.asp&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brent Hartinger elaborates here, and on page 2 you will find comments of various opinions.&lt;br /&gt;http://www.afterelton.com/print/200998/lambda-award-should-you-be-gay&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting discussion!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion reminds me a lot of the one started by Ellen Wittlinger&#39;s article in the Horn Book about the Lambda Award submission rule changes.<br /><a href="http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2010/jul10_wittlinger.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2010/jul10_wittlinger.asp</a></p>
<p>Brent Hartinger elaborates here, and on page 2 you will find comments of various opinions.<br /><a href="http://www.afterelton.com/print/200998/lambda-award-should-you-be-gay" rel="nofollow">http://www.afterelton.com/print/200998/lambda-award-should-you-be-gay</a></p>
<p>Interesting discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: DGLM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments, all! I&#039;m inclined to agree with L.C. on this--if you&#039;re not willing to do the research, you&#039;re doing your characters and readers a disservice. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having had more time to reflect on the show, I still find the idea of it really disturbing, but the actuality of it is potent--it&#039;s ultimately about the rejection of minstrelsy and all that it stood for. I still have questions about the writers&#039; qualifications for the piece, but I believe the play was thoughtful and powerful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, all! I&#39;m inclined to agree with L.C. on this&#8211;if you&#39;re not willing to do the research, you&#39;re doing your characters and readers a disservice. </p>
<p>Having had more time to reflect on the show, I still find the idea of it really disturbing, but the actuality of it is potent&#8211;it&#39;s ultimately about the rejection of minstrelsy and all that it stood for. I still have questions about the writers&#39; qualifications for the piece, but I believe the play was thoughtful and powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrifa</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tanya, thanks for your response to me, and for your great comment. You said what I wanted to say much better than I did, and more. Glad I got to hear your thoughts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanya, thanks for your response to me, and for your great comment. You said what I wanted to say much better than I did, and more. Glad I got to hear your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: L.C. Gant</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may seem harsh, but as a black woman, I have no desire to see a musical like the Scottsboro Boys. To me, the fact that it uses the minstrel/blackface format combined with the fact that &quot;the writers and director are all white&quot; is both problematic and disturbing. As another commenter said, they couldn&#039;t hire ANY black writers to assist with this piece?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While I don&#039;t believe any stories &quot;belong&quot; to any group of people, I do believe that certain races are, in general, MORE QUALIFIED to tell stories than others. I don&#039;t agree with the colorblind mentality that says we are all the same and race does not matter. It does. Without question. There are things I just flat-out know about my race because I have experienced them firsthand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem with telling stories from a perspective that&#039;s not your own is that you run the risk of stifling your characters. Unless you&#039;re very careful, you either fall into racist stereotypes unconsciously, or you can create characters that seem too squeaky clean to be real. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it possible to do it and do it well? Of course! As some have said, the alternative would be segregated writing. In my own WiP, the two main characters are Black and Japanese. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I maintain that writing outside of your race/gender/religion requires much more preparation and research than usual to get all the little things right. Simply asking one or two of your friends about their culture doesn&#039;t cut it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And IMHO, if you&#039;re not willing to do the extra work, don&#039;t try.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may seem harsh, but as a black woman, I have no desire to see a musical like the Scottsboro Boys. To me, the fact that it uses the minstrel/blackface format combined with the fact that &quot;the writers and director are all white&quot; is both problematic and disturbing. As another commenter said, they couldn&#39;t hire ANY black writers to assist with this piece?</p>
<p>While I don&#39;t believe any stories &quot;belong&quot; to any group of people, I do believe that certain races are, in general, MORE QUALIFIED to tell stories than others. I don&#39;t agree with the colorblind mentality that says we are all the same and race does not matter. It does. Without question. There are things I just flat-out know about my race because I have experienced them firsthand.</p>
<p>The problem with telling stories from a perspective that&#39;s not your own is that you run the risk of stifling your characters. Unless you&#39;re very careful, you either fall into racist stereotypes unconsciously, or you can create characters that seem too squeaky clean to be real. </p>
<p>Is it possible to do it and do it well? Of course! As some have said, the alternative would be segregated writing. In my own WiP, the two main characters are Black and Japanese. </p>
<p>However, I maintain that writing outside of your race/gender/religion requires much more preparation and research than usual to get all the little things right. Simply asking one or two of your friends about their culture doesn&#39;t cut it. </p>
<p>And IMHO, if you&#39;re not willing to do the extra work, don&#39;t try.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scrifa--in as far as your fiction is concerned, I am a gay female and I have to say a well-written story is a well-written story. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In relation to the question--society&#039;s walls continue to be reinforced by the very people who are trying to knock them down. If I can&#039;t buy into a concept that a straight person can &#039;understand me&#039;, then clearly I must believe that a straight person has never been persecuted, ostracised or felt just plain alone. And such a world view is as narrow as the world view of a racist, for eg.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I think is key is that the opening of minds go both ways. For every time there is a gut reaction that someone has blundered in how they have portrayed you, there must be an examination of whether it is a genuine misstep or whether the individual has simply hit on something deeply personal to you. A good example for me is the &quot;It Gets Better&quot; campaign. Logically--I understand it is done only with the best of intentions. Personally--I find it pointless to have a successful straight person tell me that my life will get better because they have never, nor ever will, walk in my shoes. But I&#039;ve acknowledged that as not a viewpoint of the LGBT community, but as my own. We are have personal triggers--they key is remembering that they are, indeed, just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrifa&#8211;in as far as your fiction is concerned, I am a gay female and I have to say a well-written story is a well-written story. </p>
<p>In relation to the question&#8211;society&#39;s walls continue to be reinforced by the very people who are trying to knock them down. If I can&#39;t buy into a concept that a straight person can &#39;understand me&#39;, then clearly I must believe that a straight person has never been persecuted, ostracised or felt just plain alone. And such a world view is as narrow as the world view of a racist, for eg.</p>
<p>What I think is key is that the opening of minds go both ways. For every time there is a gut reaction that someone has blundered in how they have portrayed you, there must be an examination of whether it is a genuine misstep or whether the individual has simply hit on something deeply personal to you. A good example for me is the &quot;It Gets Better&quot; campaign. Logically&#8211;I understand it is done only with the best of intentions. Personally&#8211;I find it pointless to have a successful straight person tell me that my life will get better because they have never, nor ever will, walk in my shoes. But I&#39;ve acknowledged that as not a viewpoint of the LGBT community, but as my own. We are have personal triggers&#8211;they key is remembering that they are, indeed, just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m putting this out, not to agree or disagree with what&#039;s been said, but to add another perspective:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not very long ago, I was reading a blog written by an American journalist living in Russia, married to a Russian--and writing comedy articles about Russia.  And by her own admission, she&#039;s made a lot of Russian people very angry.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Her response: Shouldn&#039;t I have the right to my own viewpoint?  Do you mean I can&#039;t write about what I see?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The trouble was that she missed the whole point of the uproar.  Somehow, with I don&#039;t know how many years of living in Russia, she failed to grasp basic Russian cultural ideas and values.  Instead of getting readers on both sides to laugh, she got one side laughing and the other deeply hurt.  The gap didn&#039;t close.  It&#039;s wider than ever.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Writers who go across the culture line are bridge builders, and they take heavy risks.  There&#039;s always the chance that when you set the last span, it won&#039;t land where you hope it will.  That&#039;s not to say you shouldn&#039;t try.  Just know that failure can cost you, personally and professionally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m putting this out, not to agree or disagree with what&#39;s been said, but to add another perspective:</p>
<p>Not very long ago, I was reading a blog written by an American journalist living in Russia, married to a Russian&#8211;and writing comedy articles about Russia.  And by her own admission, she&#39;s made a lot of Russian people very angry.  </p>
<p>Her response: Shouldn&#39;t I have the right to my own viewpoint?  Do you mean I can&#39;t write about what I see?</p>
<p>The trouble was that she missed the whole point of the uproar.  Somehow, with I don&#39;t know how many years of living in Russia, she failed to grasp basic Russian cultural ideas and values.  Instead of getting readers on both sides to laugh, she got one side laughing and the other deeply hurt.  The gap didn&#39;t close.  It&#39;s wider than ever.</p>
<p>Writers who go across the culture line are bridge builders, and they take heavy risks.  There&#39;s always the chance that when you set the last span, it won&#39;t land where you hope it will.  That&#39;s not to say you shouldn&#39;t try.  Just know that failure can cost you, personally and professionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 03:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been said that only a non-American could&#039;ve written Democracy in America, and Tocqueville was most decidedly French. The point is that an outsider offers a different perspective than an insider. We need both outsiders and insiders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As an author I can say that on a personal level the attempt to portray someone I&#039;m not always teaches me something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s been said that only a non-American could&#39;ve written Democracy in America, and Tocqueville was most decidedly French. The point is that an outsider offers a different perspective than an insider. We need both outsiders and insiders.</p>
<p>As an author I can say that on a personal level the attempt to portray someone I&#39;m not always teaches me something.</p>
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		<title>By: Onyx</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with the protestors. Blackface in itself harkens back to a shameful period in America&#039;s history. So forgive me, but I&#039;m supposed to believe the writers are so brilliant when they can&#039;t see the forest for the trees? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Controversy sells, so perhaps this is what the writers and producers were banking on. And it&#039;s easier to look far and away to Germany at the Holocaust, or South African where Apartheid happened instead of looking at the toil segregation played in destroying lives, families and dreams in America. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;American writers and movie producers have a long history of creating black characters who perform with a smile. That seems to be the only way to make US audiences comfortable with the material dealing with black/white relations.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So yes, I&#039;m sure it made for riveting theater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m with the protestors. Blackface in itself harkens back to a shameful period in America&#39;s history. So forgive me, but I&#39;m supposed to believe the writers are so brilliant when they can&#39;t see the forest for the trees? </p>
<p>Controversy sells, so perhaps this is what the writers and producers were banking on. And it&#39;s easier to look far and away to Germany at the Holocaust, or South African where Apartheid happened instead of looking at the toil segregation played in destroying lives, families and dreams in America. </p>
<p>American writers and movie producers have a long history of creating black characters who perform with a smile. That seems to be the only way to make US audiences comfortable with the material dealing with black/white relations.   </p>
<p>So yes, I&#39;m sure it made for riveting theater.</p>
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