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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<title>By: L.C.McCabe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.C.McCabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jane,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry to respond so late after your posting, but I just discovered your agency&#039;s blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you for this post, because you confirmed some fears I had developed regarding publishers and marketing.  I&#039;ve gone to several writers conferences over the past five years and each time the outlook becomes bleaker and bleaker regarding what publishers are willing to do for manuscripts in regards to editing, and also marketing finished products.  This makes it almost incumbent upon authors to develop their own marketing strategy and possibly pay for their own publicist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Last April my writing club had a local publisher as our guest and he spoke on the topic of marketing and what he finds attractive in marketing plans in book proposals.  He imparted a lot of useful information, but I was struck on how he seemed to be behind the curve when it came to the internet.  One of his authors would write online articles online, then they would get transmitted and reprinted in a myriad of places.  The publisher said he could always tell when this author had done something like that because it caused an immediate uptick in sales.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yet, he still seemd to think of the internet as a passing fad instead of an evolutionary trend that he was going have to understand and either Adapt or Die.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He also used &quot;platform&quot; in his talk, but there is another term that I think should be part of the publishing lexicon if it is not currently.  That term is &quot;fanbase.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Platform describes someone&#039;s expertise on a subject, but fanbase is a legion of people who are committed to buying books once they hit the shelves.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of our club members has a popular blog on AOL and has had over 100,000 hits in the last year.  She&#039;s not an expert on anything, but she has fans.  If she made a collection of her blog entries and it came out in book format, there&#039;s a good chance her fans would buy it - even if they&#039;ve already read the stuff for free online.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because a nice shiny book on your bookshelf is something different than something on your computer screen.  You can snuggle up with a book in bed, or take it with you anywhere, etc.  Books are different than any of its digital counterparts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And that&#039;s why I belive books will continue to be important far into the 21st Century and the Information Age.  However, marketing has dramatically changed from the 20th century schemes of snail mailing press releases or &quot;if you schedule it they will come&quot; book signings.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nope, online chats with fans or author call-in Q&amp;A&#039;s with readers are really the wave of the future.  Donna Woolfolk Cross and her success with the paperback version of &lt;i&gt;Pope Joan&lt;/i&gt; is a case in point.  (I go into detail about that on my blog if you want to know more about Donna and &lt;i&gt;Pope Joan&lt;/i&gt;.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you again for sharing,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Linda McCabe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,</p>
<p>Sorry to respond so late after your posting, but I just discovered your agency&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Thank you for this post, because you confirmed some fears I had developed regarding publishers and marketing.  I&#8217;ve gone to several writers conferences over the past five years and each time the outlook becomes bleaker and bleaker regarding what publishers are willing to do for manuscripts in regards to editing, and also marketing finished products.  This makes it almost incumbent upon authors to develop their own marketing strategy and possibly pay for their own publicist.</p>
<p>Last April my writing club had a local publisher as our guest and he spoke on the topic of marketing and what he finds attractive in marketing plans in book proposals.  He imparted a lot of useful information, but I was struck on how he seemed to be behind the curve when it came to the internet.  One of his authors would write online articles online, then they would get transmitted and reprinted in a myriad of places.  The publisher said he could always tell when this author had done something like that because it caused an immediate uptick in sales.</p>
<p>And yet, he still seemd to think of the internet as a passing fad instead of an evolutionary trend that he was going have to understand and either Adapt or Die.</p>
<p>He also used &#8220;platform&#8221; in his talk, but there is another term that I think should be part of the publishing lexicon if it is not currently.  That term is &#8220;fanbase.&#8221;</p>
<p>Platform describes someone&#8217;s expertise on a subject, but fanbase is a legion of people who are committed to buying books once they hit the shelves.  </p>
<p>One of our club members has a popular blog on AOL and has had over 100,000 hits in the last year.  She&#8217;s not an expert on anything, but she has fans.  If she made a collection of her blog entries and it came out in book format, there&#8217;s a good chance her fans would buy it &#8211; even if they&#8217;ve already read the stuff for free online.  </p>
<p>Because a nice shiny book on your bookshelf is something different than something on your computer screen.  You can snuggle up with a book in bed, or take it with you anywhere, etc.  Books are different than any of its digital counterparts.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I belive books will continue to be important far into the 21st Century and the Information Age.  However, marketing has dramatically changed from the 20th century schemes of snail mailing press releases or &#8220;if you schedule it they will come&#8221; book signings.</p>
<p>Nope, online chats with fans or author call-in Q&#038;A&#8217;s with readers are really the wave of the future.  Donna Woolfolk Cross and her success with the paperback version of <i>Pope Joan</i> is a case in point.  (I go into detail about that on my blog if you want to know more about Donna and <i>Pope Joan</i>.)</p>
<p>Thank you again for sharing,</p>
<p>Linda McCabe</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I&#039;m glad to see an agency that&#039;s also interested in publicity. I feared it was just us writers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, I know publishers (at least some of them) still have marketing and PR departments, so what are they paying these people to do? Or are the PR budgets so skimpy they can only afford to promote the BIG titles, which are going to sell anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;m glad to see an agency that&#8217;s also interested in publicity. I feared it was just us writers.</p>
<p>Second, I know publishers (at least some of them) still have marketing and PR departments, so what are they paying these people to do? Or are the PR budgets so skimpy they can only afford to promote the BIG titles, which are going to sell anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Brackett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole Brackett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This lack of marketing foresight on the part of publishers seems to be such a well-documented phenomenon lately that I wonder why it isn&#039;t being met more agressively and head-on by the houses.  I know it&#039;s all about the bottom line, but good marketing (or lack thereof) has such an effect on the bottom line that it doesn&#039;t seem logical to neglect promotion once the acquisition has gone through.  I often wonder what it will take to cause the kind of sea change that seems necessary in the world of book marketing (especially in my genre of literary fiction).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lack of marketing foresight on the part of publishers seems to be such a well-documented phenomenon lately that I wonder why it isn&#8217;t being met more agressively and head-on by the houses.  I know it&#8217;s all about the bottom line, but good marketing (or lack thereof) has such an effect on the bottom line that it doesn&#8217;t seem logical to neglect promotion once the acquisition has gone through.  I often wonder what it will take to cause the kind of sea change that seems necessary in the world of book marketing (especially in my genre of literary fiction).</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome...welcome...welcome. I hope you guys all enjoy the blogging experience. As a writer I really appreciate your willingness to share things from your side of the fence. Thanks so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome&#8230;welcome&#8230;welcome. I hope you guys all enjoy the blogging experience. As a writer I really appreciate your willingness to share things from your side of the fence. Thanks so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Demented M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demented M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the blogosphere!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your post is the reason why I&#039;ve developed my own marketing plans. Publishers are production and distribution and little else it seems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;M]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the blogosphere!</p>
<p>Your post is the reason why I&#8217;ve developed my own marketing plans. Publishers are production and distribution and little else it seems.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Pulliam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Pulliam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, thank you! I agree with David, it seems many authors are writing with a particular market in mind. Recently at the RWA convention it seemed that the big talk was niche markets. Such as writing for NASCAR fans. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Writing with such a particular group in mind seems like a good way to build loyal readers, but also limiting in reader numbers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On a related note, I&#039;ve wondered  something related to publicity on the author side. If an author has a promotions/marketing/PR background, would that be useful information to put in a query letter for an agent? Especially if a writer falls short on publishing credentials for fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thank you! I agree with David, it seems many authors are writing with a particular market in mind. Recently at the RWA convention it seemed that the big talk was niche markets. Such as writing for NASCAR fans. </p>
<p>Writing with such a particular group in mind seems like a good way to build loyal readers, but also limiting in reader numbers.</p>
<p>On a related note, I&#8217;ve wondered  something related to publicity on the author side. If an author has a promotions/marketing/PR background, would that be useful information to put in a query letter for an agent? Especially if a writer falls short on publishing credentials for fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: DAVID THAYER</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVID THAYER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get the sense that your examples are non-fiction books where a target audience is identified at the proposal stage. It seems that the author would be crucial to devising a promotion plan based on their credentials.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The same applies to fiction. I think novelists have a strong sense of who their audience is, beyond the obvious demographic stuff. Maybe the disconnect occurs between the acquisition and marketing because the author&#039;s vision of their audience is never articulated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the sense that your examples are non-fiction books where a target audience is identified at the proposal stage. It seems that the author would be crucial to devising a promotion plan based on their credentials.</p>
<p>The same applies to fiction. I think novelists have a strong sense of who their audience is, beyond the obvious demographic stuff. Maybe the disconnect occurs between the acquisition and marketing because the author&#8217;s vision of their audience is never articulated.</p>
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